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NASA Begins First Attempt of 'Ingenuity' Helicopter's Flight on Mars (nasa.gov) 92

Slashdot reader quonset reminds us that NASA's Mars helicopter "is officially 'go' for flight!," according to the Twitter feed of the Perserverance Rover, which notes that its cameras are ready to film the historic event.

"Watch with the team as they receive data and find out if they were successful," adds NASA's official feed. "Meet us in mission control April 19 at 6:15am ET (10:15am UTC): Data from the first flight will return to Earth a few hours following the autonomous flight. A livestream will begin at 6:15 a.m. EDT (3:15 a.m. PDT), as the helicopter team prepares to receive the data downlink in the Space Flight Operations Facility at NASA's Jet Propulsion Laboratory (JPL). Watch on NASA Television, the agency app, website, and social media platforms, including YouTube and Facebook.

If the flight takes place April 19, a postflight briefing will be held at 2 p.m. EDT (11 a.m. PDT)...

The public and media also may ask questions on social media during the livestream and briefing using #MarsHelicopter. Find the latest schedule updates here.

The Perseverance rover will provide support during flight operations, taking images, collecting environmental data, and hosting the base station that enables the helicopter to communicate with mission controllers on Earth.

Update: And it's a success! "We've been talking for so long about our Wright Brothers moment on Mars, and here it is," said NASA Ingenuity Mars Helicopter project manager MiMi Aung. The Perserverance rover has already tweeted out a choppy video.
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NASA Begins First Attempt of 'Ingenuity' Helicopter's Flight on Mars

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  • It flew! (Score:4, Informative)

    by McGruber ( 1417641 ) on Monday April 19, 2021 @07:03AM (#61289578)
    It was successful.
    • Re:It flew! (Score:5, Informative)

      by quonset ( 4839537 ) on Monday April 19, 2021 @07:19AM (#61289600)

      Yes, yes it has [cnn.com].

    • Re:It flew! (Score:5, Interesting)

      by Tablizer ( 95088 ) on Monday April 19, 2021 @12:40PM (#61290774) Journal

      was successful.

      I really thought it would flop, to be honest. Kudos to NASA! Such has never been tried before; and often during first tries, the unexpected sneaks up on you in space. It's hard to test both the gravity and thin atmosphere of Mars at the same time on Earth. One can make a lighter version of the drone to simulate less gravity, but the weight distribution cannot be fully tested that way because the rotors have to stay the same weight.

      For an example of space surprises, look at all the problems that digging and soil sampling equipment have had with the odd Martian dirt. And how the life detection experiments get snagged up in the odd chemistry there. And when Pioneer 10 flew past Jupiter for the first time, radiation screwed with the instruments, denying us our first close-up of the moon Io. And the Apollo 11 lander almost ran out of fuel because the moon was less round than expected, added to computer input overflow issues that didn't show up in Earth practice.

  • by nokarmajustviewspls ( 7441308 ) on Monday April 19, 2021 @07:31AM (#61289632)

    I was just wondering, does anyone know how it steers? It has two counterrotating blades (I have no idea how they manage to make them counterrotate on a single rod nor do I know how they manage to keep it so that some small imbalance doesn't cause the overall vehicle to spin) but I don't see another control surfaces. I think it's too light to have a heavy gyroscope. Does it have some sort of gimbal at the base of the rotors to allow them to tilt? Is there some sort of internal mass (the batteries?) that they can shift around to make the whole vehicle tilt?

    Again, I don't know how they even control the pitch of the blades (but I presume pitch control is what allows them to control lift?) so any answers would be most illuminating. If there's a link to a detailed technical description that would be great.

    If Ingenuity survives it's five test flights, is there any possibility in having it "tag along" with Perseverance when the rover gets going? Might be useful as a scout. Would the batteries allow for repeated extended flights?

    • by 50000BTU_barbecue ( 588132 ) on Monday April 19, 2021 @07:36AM (#61289642) Journal

      It's quite simple, it's two concentric shafts, one inside the other. As for steering, I haven't looked at the Mars copter, but helicopters have a device called a swashplate that lets you change the pitch of the blades selectively as the blades spin around 360 degrees. This gets you selective thrust in any direction.

      An extreme example of a swashplate would be in 3D helicopter flying.

      https://www.youtube.com/watch?... [youtube.com]

      This is where the swashplate has extreme throws compared to a full-size one...

      The Kamov Ka-50 is a full size coax helicopter.

      • by Åke Malmgren ( 3402337 ) on Monday April 19, 2021 @07:48AM (#61289686)
        It's got a swashplate. They mention the health of the swashplate servos in the webcast. I'm sure it also has tiny solid state/MEMS gyros of some sort, like terrestrial n-copter drones.
      • by MS ( 18681 ) on Monday April 19, 2021 @08:02AM (#61289724)

        The explanation is correct, but the linked video is of no use, to understand the working of the swashplate. This one is better: https://youtu.be/Kd1yLZen33I [youtu.be]

      • by AmiMoJo ( 196126 )

        The blades look fixed angle in photos. I think they may be using a rigid rotor system that tilts. That would be mechanically simpler and is quite common with model helicopters.

        Getting the weight down and lift up are big considerations because the atmosphere is very thin on Mars, and the reduced gravity doesn't fully compensate.

        • by Anonymous Coward

          Good lord, man. Photos are a frozen picture of a moment in time, what else would you expect to see besides a fixed angle?

          A tilt rotor system is neither simple nor common. I don't know how many model helicopters you've seen, but I've seen hundreds on my bench over 20 years. Not a single one tilted the entire rotor assembly.

          You have all the explanations in the above comments.

          https://hardware.slashdot.org/... [slashdot.org]

          One wonders why you felt the need to comment.

        • Re: (Score:3, Informative)

          by Kickasso ( 210195 )

          The blades may superficially resemble those of fixed-pitch toy helis, but they in fact have full cyclic and collective control.

      • wow, thanks for sharing that video, I will never underestimate the ability of RC pilots again!

    • by Teun ( 17872 ) on Monday April 19, 2021 @07:58AM (#61289716)
      Like every helicopter it has a gyroscope of sorts, the blades.
      When you have a close look at the base of the shaft you can seen what probably are the links to the swash plates that adjust the angle of attack/pitch of the blades.
      By changing the power difference (speed) between the two rotor you can make the craft rotate (or prevent it from rotating) what on a normal chopper is done by means of the tail rotor.
    • by argStyopa ( 232550 ) on Monday April 19, 2021 @11:47AM (#61290550) Journal

      Nearly everything answered in this great video

      https://www.youtube.com/watch?... [youtube.com]

      • Thanks, it's scary to think that these ultralight blades are having their pitch adjusted 40times a second(!) in order to provide directional thrust

  • by mavi_yelken ( 801565 ) on Monday April 19, 2021 @07:33AM (#61289636)

    In nearly a century, we went from first powered flight on Earth to first powered flight on another Planet. Permit yourselves a moment of joy please, among the torrent of the adversity we call Life.

    • by CrimsonAvenger ( 580665 ) on Monday April 19, 2021 @09:27AM (#61289986)

      In nearly a century, we went from first powered flight on Earth to first powered flight on another Planet.

      118 years is "nearly a century"?

    • by quenda ( 644621 )

      In nearly a century, we went from first powered flight on Earth to first powered flight on another Planet.

      169 years is "nearly a century"?

      In 1852, Henri Giffard became the first person to make an engine-powered flight when he flew 27 km (17 mi) in a steam-powered airship.

      • No, of course not. That's nearly two (2) centuries!

      • by Chaset ( 552418 )

        "Powered flight" is generally understood to mean some sort of power plant on board provides the power needed to provide lift. Airships get their lift via other means, even if it has powered propulsion.
        I don't think the pedantic interpretation is very often used, so without qualifications, probably means the former.

        • by quenda ( 644621 )

          "Powered flight" is generally understood ... power needed to provide lift.

          Is it? By "generally", you mean by you? I think the term you are looking for is "heavier than air", or the aircraft vs aeroplane (airplane) distiction. The difference between an airship and a hot-air-balloon is that the former is powered. Do they not fly?
          Or the difference between a glider and a powered aeroplane.

          Wikipedia certainly qualifies it:

          The Wright brothers ... generally credited with inventing, building, and flying the world's first successful motor-operated airplane. They made the first controlled, sustained flight of a powered, heavier-than-air aircraft with the Wright Flyer

    • My old signature here:
      "It was the dawn of the nerd age of mankind".

      Let us find ways to celebrate.

  • by Black Parrot ( 19622 ) on Monday April 19, 2021 @08:08AM (#61289740)

    there is a huge surge in the number of Martians reporting UFO sightings.

  • by Boring_IT_Guy ( 6344138 ) on Monday April 19, 2021 @08:30AM (#61289820)

    It saw its shadow!

    Six more weeks of winter on Mars!

  • Wow. Very impressive that they got this right the first time.

    Can I say that I was surprised at the low-quality data/images/video at the time of the flight? I wouldn't have thought that the bandwidth needs would be that significant and I expected that the flight would take place when there was a direct datalink between Ingenuity/Perseverance to a relay in Mars' orbit (the MRO?) with a dedicated TDRS link to provide good real time video and telemetry.

    Maybe it was "just in case" things went badly, the real time video wasn't set up - that way NASA would have some time to explain what happened.

    Regardless, congratulations to the team! Let's see what they can do next.

    • Can it be said, "right the first time" if the software had to be rewritten?

      • by Anonymous Coward

        Can it be said, "right the first time" if the software had to be rewritten?

        I would say that revising the software BEFORE the first flight is the proper way to do things.

      • by mykepredko ( 40154 ) on Monday April 19, 2021 @09:33AM (#61290006) Homepage

        I've been involved in (more than) a few hardware projects where we had to delay first boot attempts because of bugs detected in the firmware/software load through simulation/hardware analogue testing and when we did try on the actual hardware and it ran as expected, we called it being right the first time. With many of these products, not getting it right could result in fire or bricking the hardware.

        So, yeah, I'd call this being right the first time without reservation.

    • by hackertourist ( 2202674 ) on Monday April 19, 2021 @09:30AM (#61289996)

      Direct datalink is possible for only about 8 minutes/day, so there may be a scheduling conflict.

      The video setup is quite Rube Goldberg due to reusing Curiosity software - images get sent in parts, for instance. So SOP is to send thumbnails first, and HR versions of the interesting images only later.

      • Interesting - thank you.
      • The video setup is quite Rube Goldberg due to reusing Curiosity software - images get sent in parts, for instance.

        The software isn't the limitation in that case. The Rube Goldberg software is required to get around the RAM limitation of the system. A technical paper worthy of Slashdot readership with all of the details can be found here [springer.com], and wonder of wonders, it's not paywalled. In short, they're using cameras with a resolution higher than the main system can handle in RAM all at once, so the data is retrieved from the camera buffer in tiles which are dumped into the on-board 480 GB of flash storage, which then get

    • Can I say that I was surprised at the low-quality data/images/video at the time of the flight? I wouldn't have thought that the bandwidth needs would be that significant and I expected that the flight would take place when there was a direct datalink between Ingenuity/Perseverance to a relay in Mars' orbit (the MRO?) with a dedicated TDRS link to provide good real time video and telemetry.

      Higher resolution video of full flight from NASA TV YouTube Channel [youtube.com].

      Even with all the work that has gone into video compression in the last thirty years, high resolution high framerate video is still very bandwidth intensive, and Mars rovers don't benefit from most of the research because they prefer frame compression rather than stream compression to avoid forward-propagating errors. Mars rovers use LOCO-I, JPG, and ICER [wikipedia.org], an integer-only wavelet compression scheme, for image compression.

      It takes a good de

      • by tragedy ( 27079 )

        It takes a good deal of time to transmit all those compressed frames from Mars. Getting a signal across 287,471,435 km (distance between Earth and Mars today) using nothing but portable solar power and a low wattage RTG is a modern miracle that we take for granted, but it takes giant dishes and signal processing at this end that is just this side of miraculous to pull off. It would be a lot easier if there was a decent Martian ground station with a top end Kilopower reactor running it and a dish big enough that it would be awkward to transport on a rover. Maybe someday, when SpaceX Starships are a little less explodey.

        It seems like rather than ground stations, a satellite network a bit like Starlink might be more appropriate. Then those satellites could work with a few satellites with larger more powerful transmitters in a polar orbit where they're always in sunlight to communicate with Earth. Maybe a few relays could even be put into other solar orbits so that there's always a route around the sun and communications can be continuous.

  • While itâ(TM)s a great thing, this is very far from a Wright brothers moment.

  • The joy of that mission chief was cute to watch. I can't wait for more flights !

  • Challenges in Mars
    1. Atmosphere density lighter than on Earth
    2. helicopter = aircraft + spacecraft
    3. Signal from Earth takes 14 minutes to reach Mars
    https://archive.ph/0kA7R [archive.ph]

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